Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back

Revealing mistake: When Luke is talking to Han over the comlink, there's a shot of Han riding a tauntaun. The animal leaves no tracks in the snow. (00:03:35)

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Visible crew/equipment: When the Wampa (ice creature) kills Luke's Tauntaun, the end of the "glove" used as the Wampa's arm can be seen in the bottom left corner, as well as the arm of the crew member wearing it. Widescreen version only. (00:03:55)

Continuity mistake: The Wampa changes when we see it again in the ice cave. Its fur is less fluffy and its horns are bigger. (00:04:00 - 00:08:45)

Dr Wilson

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Continuity mistake: When Han first walks into the command center on Hoth, there's a shot of Leia looking at him. The shot has been flipped. This can be seen, for example, from that the men on either side of her have switched sides. (00:04:50)

Continuity mistake: When Han and Leia are bickering in the corridor on Hoth, Han says, " Well, the bounty hunter we ran into on Ord Mantell changed my mind." In the next shot, behind them, there's a man walking past them that wasn't there in the previous shot. (00:05:55)

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Continuity mistake: When Luke is hanging upside down from the roof of the ice creature's cave, his legs are apart. But in the close-up of his feet, his legs are together. (00:08:40)

Audio problem: After Luke frees himself from the cave in the beginning, he stumbles towards the exit. You can hear his lightsaber go off, but it stays firmly on. Cut to him emerging, and now his lightsaber's off. (00:09:30)

Continuity mistake: Special Edition: Luke cuts off the Wampa's arm at the shoulder, but the limb seen hitting the cavern floor is way too short to be the entire arm. (00:09:30)

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Revealing mistake: After Luke escapes from the snow monster, he collapses, and there's a shot of Han riding. When the camera pans down, there are no tracks in the snow where the tauntaun just ran. (00:11:00)

Continuity mistake: As Major Derlin and another Rebel officer talk before the shield doors are closed, another officer walks under the starship Leia's standing by. In the next shot, he's gone. (00:11:30)

Audio problem: At the beginning, when they close the door of the hangar, it makes no sound on the first shot. (00:11:45)

Dr Wilson

Continuity mistake: When the Rebels pick up the signal of the Imperial probe droid, general Rieekan says, "Princess - we have a visitor." In this close-up, his head is straight, but in the next shot, he is standing in a different place, leaning forward. (00:17:35)

Continuity mistake: When Leia briefs a group of Rebel pilots in the hangar on Hoth, the position of her head changes completely between the first and the second shot. As the second shot ends, she begins to turn around, but in the next shot, she has already turned around. Also, Major Derlin's (the man dressed in grey) head has changed position. (00:23:05)

Continuity mistake: After Luke crashes during the battle on Hoth , the AT-AT is far away from him and is moving rather slowly. A few shots later, the AT-AT stomps on his snowspeeder, but it was too far away from him in the previous shots to reach it that quickly. (00:29:55)

Audio problem: After Han goes to the command centre during the battle on Hoth, Leia says to a controller, "Send all troops in sector twelve to the south slope to protect the fighters," but the words don't match her lips. (00:30:35)

Continuity mistake: When a blast rocks the command centre during the battle on Hoth, C-3PO is thrown backwards into Han's arms. As the wideshot leaves, Threepio is leaning backwards, supported by Han, but in the next shot, both of them standing upright in a normal way. Toryn Farr, the woman sitting behind them, has changed position as well. (00:30:40)

Continuity mistake: When the AT-AT that Luke destroyed with a thermal detonator falls over, Luke is nowhere to be seen, even though he should be visible, judging from his position in the previous shot. (As noted in another mistake, the AT-AT is suddenly further away from him after he falls to the ground, but he is still to close to be out of shot when it falls over.). (00:31:45)

Continuity mistake: During the escape from Hoth, C-3PO is far behind Han and Leia as they are running to the Millennium Falcon after the cave-in blocks their path. When they reach the door, he is much closer to them. (00:32:40)

Revealing mistake: After the headless AT-AT begins to fall over, watch its back leg on the right side of the screen. You can see a broomstick being pushed up from under the set. It raises that foot up in order to ensure that the AT-AT falls to the left side of the screen. (00:33:00)

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Trivia: The Special Edition covers of Return of the Jedi and Empire Strikes Back are wrong. The picture of the Emperor on ESB cover is from 'ROTJ', and the lightsaber duel between Luke and Vader on the cover of ROTJ is taken from 'ESB' (notice Luke is in his fighter pilot suit, and Vader is fighting him one-handed)

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Answer: The short, short answer to this is "Yes... from a certain point of view." The long answer is complicated and depends completely on what timeframe you mean by "always." If you're going back all the way to the early rough drafts of the early-mid 70s (which actually resemble Episode I more than they do the Star Wars of 1977), you'll find there's a cyborg father figure protagonist that makes a heroic sacrifice, and then another character that is a "black knight" villain that eventually turns to the side of good near the end. Just to make things more complicated, there is yet another character, a villain by the name of "Darth Vader" that is a human Imperial officer like Grand Moff Tarkin. It may be a stretch to count all that as "Darth Vader was always the father" but the pieces were all there, at least.

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(1) Now the earliest explicit mention on any documented material that Darth Vader is Luke's father comes from notes Lucas made outlining the general story of the trilogy and its place in the larger Star Wars saga. These were found in the archives for The Empire Strikes Back, but they are undated and we don't know if they were written before Star Wars (1977) and carried forward, or if they were written afterward. These were found fairly recently (made public in 2010) and as far as I know Lucas has never commented publicly about them.

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(3) One thing we know, at least, is that Lucas had come up with the idea of Darth Vader the father before starting work on The Empire Strikes Back. Something incredibly odd, though, is that the first draft written by Leigh Brackett does not feature the twist (and in fact introduces Anakin himself as a ghost); for a long time many fans took this as proof that Lucas hadn't thought of the idea at all by then, but after the series outline was discovered it was made apparent that Lucas simply hadn't told Brackett for some reason. Perhaps he wasn't sure yet that he wanted to go through with it, or maybe at that point he was thinking of revealing it in the third film. Either way, Lucas would write the second draft himself, and that's where the twist first appears in script form.

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(2) Something that must be understood about Star Wars (1977) is that it was an ALTERNATIVE to his original plans of a saga. By then he didn't think it was realistic that he would be able to make a long series of many movies, so he came up with a "Plan B": he crammed the general story of the trilogy into one movie. So we know that when Star Wars (1977) was filming, Darth Vader was NOT Luke's father, because this one movie was IT, that was the whole story. But what we DON'T know, is whether that means Lucas had abandoned the idea of Vader being the father in order to simplify the story, or if Lucas simply hadn't thought of that at all just yet.

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(2, cont.) On a side note, you can tell by watching Star Wars (1977) how it has condensed the story of the trilogy. The middle portion has the characters trying to escape capture from the Empire while one of them loses a duel with Darth Vader (like The Empire Strikes Back) and the third act is a final battle against the Death Star above a forest moon (like Return of the Jedi). The first act features a member of royalty on the run while a couple of protagonists find the main hero on a desert planet, resembling the original drafts and by extension Star Wars: Episode I. Because of this we've arguably never actually had a "pure" first chapter to the original trilogy, even though Lucas eventually had the film serve this purpose anyway.

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Answer: Yes, however, he didn't want anyone to KNOW about it. In fact, the original script said "'Obi Wan never told you what happened to your father.' 'He told me enough... he told me YOU killed him!' 'No, Obi-Wan killed your father'" Even Hamill was only told the real line just before shooting, so his reaction is somewhat natural.

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